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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 25, 2011 10:29am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Thanks for the info, Monte.

I share the OWS anger and applaud their rights to and subsequent protests, but part of me is pretty upset that these same protesters were no-shows for the 2010 Congressional elections, and allowed Tea Party Republicans--well funded by the likes of the billionaire Koch Bros., to put in position of power freshman Congressman who will NEVER allow a tax hike of any kind--especially on rich people--to go thru.

My question is: Where were these same people when Russ Feingold was getting voted out of Wisconsin & Gov. Union-Killer was getting voted in? Where were they when the seat to be filled by that moron dick-texter Weiner went Republican in NY? Or around the country in general in 2010 when the GOP took control of the House and nearly the Senate? They were upset b/c Obama turned out to be just another politician and not the savior who walks on water they all thught he was supposed to be? They were "discouraged" b/c he didn't fix all their problems? So their solution was to NOT VOTE and allow an even worse alternative to take the reins???

My point is: Protests are great, but ELECTIONS matter. All the clever signs and slogans and chanting are a wonderful way to let off steam but they won't bring about a retrun of the Glass-Steagall Act, they won't put in place the kind of perfectly reasonable regulations Elizabeth Warren has been calling for to keep the banks in line, and they won't prevent Tea Bagger politicians from trying to dismantle the EPA.

The choices are horrible on either side--but if these people are serious about change, there are grass roots Progressive candidates in every state in the country, and they'd be better spending their time trying to get THOSE people elected to office so change can ACTUALLY HAPPEN rather than having a bunch of drum circles for Fox News to make fun of and have business as usual resume once Pres. Romney gets the seat.

ELECTIONS MATTER.

Let's see if the OWS movement actually makes a difference where it counts.

My 2 cents.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 25, 2011 11:20am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Trust me, we'd love to get some rising-star candidates emerging from the OWS movements, and get them voted into offices.

I agree with you about voter apathy in the USA. The OWS movement needs to have Teach-Ins about this issue.

On the other hand, have you noticed all The States that are passing Voter I.D. Bills? These Bills are destroying Voter's Rights by restricting voter registration for many hundreds of thousands of voters. This is a national catastrophe.

http://www.google.com/search?q=state+passes+voter+id+bill

Re: electing Tea Party officials, how in the hell did Rick Scott, who ran a company involved in the nation's largest Medicare fraud case, become Florida's governor?

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-05-20/news/fl-rick-scott-governor-hca-20100520_1_medicare-fraud-case-hospitals-in-el-paso-hospital-giant-columbia

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 26, 2011 8:15am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Oh dear, you mean the States that are enacting voter ID laws are trying to prevent people from voting illegally. Oh the shame.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 28, 2011 6:40am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

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Policy Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud”

Following the report of the 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform (the “Carter-Baker Commission"), the Brennan Center and Commissioner Spencer Overton prepared a detailed analysis of claims of voter fraud, in the context of a proposed photo identification requirement.

Summary:
• Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare.
• Many vivid anecdotes of purported voter fraud have been proven false or do not demonstrate fraud.
• Voter fraud is often conflated with other forms of election misconduct.
• Raising the unsubstantiated specter of mass voter fraud suits a particular policy agenda.
• Claims of voter fraud should be carefully tested before they become the basis for action.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 25, 2011 1:59pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

all good questions and yes, people should be outraged at the voter ID nonsense. I've never seen such a cynically-manufactured partisan gimmick to a "problem" that is totally non-existent.

That and redistricting are rigging outcomes all over the place.

all of which is why I have a hard time being optimistic about the end result of OWS.

Don't forget--more people vote for the finalist of "American Idol" than for President. And I can't blame Republicans for that one.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 25, 2011 2:27pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

I'm a jolly banker, jolly banker, am I...

http://wilcoworld.net/#!/roadcase/the-jolly-banker